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Chapter 11; Video/Filtered Video to Karkat

[[The feed flicks on to a view of four Pokemon. The first three are likely familiar to anyone who knows their trainer.

An all-too-cool Wooper, who currently seems rather put out and a little scratched up.
A primping and preening Pidgey, who seems quite proud of itself.
And a rather irritated looking Eevee, ruffled somewhat and glaring in the aforementioned Wooper's direction.
The fourth Pokemon, sitting quietly and watching the three with interest, is a Mareep.

From off camera comes the voice to confirm that yes, this is indeed Rose's team.]]

I am pleased to say we are finally making progress in level. Surprisingly, Dave has been putting forth a great deal of effort into his training. I am unsure as to why, but not complaining.

Woop!

That was a compliment. You should accept it as such.

Pilcrow, the Pidgey you see before you, has also gained a few levels of her own. Guillemot has earned the most, however. I am highly proud of her. I also have a new addition, of whom I have just caught. Halos the Mareep. He is quite the energetic one, and I am sure he will make an excellent addition to my team.

[[And now you get a view of the girl, who looks like she's recovering from a cold.]]

I have doubts of challenging the gym here before we leave, but I suppose that is not my duty as a breeder anyway, is it?

[[For everyone else, the feed ends here. However, Karkat gets one soon after.]]

[Filtered to Karkat]

...Karkat. Would I be able to ask a favor of you? It concerns living arrangements, as I have been unable to work for the past week due to both my illness and the incident with Dave, and therefor can no longer afford room and board.

Of course I intend to find work as soon as possible, but until then I have no where to stay...

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[The Glameow ends up in a similar state ere long. Cats do love their naps, even if this one is an irritable mini-Karkat in spirit.]

[When Rose speaks up, however, he gives her a quizzical look.]

Why? What's wrong with him?

[[And oh boy is Karkitty getting some nice belly rubs, because tiny Karkat or not, he is the most adorable thing. ~~You could get belly rubs too if you asked nicely, Karkat.~~]]

I just don't think he fills the role well. Charming someone like Samantha would take much more cunning, as is easily apparent, however he just...Isn't convincing. I hardly believe he is as intelligent as the character is, and that really makes it hard to believe the character. For me, I suppose.

I'm far more partial to Elijah's actor.

[~~You would be harmed if you tried, Rose.~~]

Oh. Oh. Sorry, I get caught up in this shit - I was trying to pretend he was too big of an idiot that she was going along with it more out of irritation. I have to do something to make up for the lack of other quadrants in this stuff.

Elijah, though, he'd be better off with Laura. She obviously needs someone like him in her life.

[[~~Hence the asked part, Karkat.~~ She sits back, regarding the television thoughtfully.]]

...Actually, you raise a very good point. That both makes him a slight bit more tolerable, but makes the story a little more interesting as well.

I suppose he wasn't so bad a pick in that respect then.

And yes, of course. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Merely that his actor would play Chris far better. But yes, Laura is most definitely in need of Elijah, and in some ways I feel he needs her as well. I really hope he does not chase Trina's tail to the end.

See? Troll movies are better that way. Troll romance, too. Makes stuff more complex and interesting, and it's better than trying to shoehorn everything into the flushed quadrant.

But yeah--if it were flushed, and Elijah's actor played Chris, I could see it working better.

I never argued it was worse than human romance. I am simply catching my brain up to speed to pick the troll romance out in things is all. Because really, it does interest me. Quite a bit.

Well--lots of people bitch at me and say it's too complicated or whatever. But it's not. Lots of emotional range, you know? Though I guess it's kind of stupid to try to promote it to you when you're already my moirail and have helped me out with... well, Dave in general. That whole complicated thing.

Really, I think the only reason people find it complicated is due to how hate is involved. We do not normally afford those we despise any form of affection, and many would likely never come to the conclusion it might be nice to have the one you hate most around to continue hating.

For how loathsome of a species we are, we have a hard time grasping the ideal that hate can lead to or even be a good thing. Heavily it is preached to "love thy brother", to seek peace with your fellow human.

Of course, this is absolutely impossible, given how the human works. It's almost amusing to watch the rest of my race delusion themselves with the idea that they can be anything more than walking amalgamations of abhorrence, damnation and 'sin'. Sure, there is good mixed in with those qualities, but there is not a human alive who has dabbled once within 'sin'.

[[Blink blink.]]

That was a little further off topic than I had intended to go.

Either way, you are free to promote it to me. As I said, I find it a rather enjoyable topic, one that is certainly relevant to my interests.

Edited 2011-03-03 14:01 (UTC)

Trolls are more violent, more brutal than humans. So I've got this idea that maybe it's a way to cope with that. Moirallegience is too, of course, but this in its own way - and auspisticism too. But for kismesissitude, it's a way to keep from killing off someone from all that hate. Something like that. If it carries mating fondness - calling it 'affection' feels wrong - then there's a reason to actually keep them around and alive. Plus, if you focus your hate on them, it's a good focus for it.

I mean, I don't go not hating other people, but having Dave to hate as much as I do keeps me from like... wanting to break people's jaws all the time, because I have him to go punch and shit.

No fucking clue what you're going on about with this damnation and sin stuff, though. Hate's half the fucking spectrum of troll romance, like I've said before. So we're used to it, and we fucking embrace it, unless you get some broken-brained moron like Tavros who can't fucking hate anything.

But when your range of romance usually limits itself to just the equivalent of the flushed quadrant, it's not hard to see why you have such a mental block over it. Dave did too. Like--well. When I first felt caliginous for him, it, well, hit me pretty strongly. And. I kissed him. So he shrieked like a girl, dropped his shades, and hid in his room. But after that, I tried to just ignore it and go on like normal, but he had to bring it up and make it awkward. That conversation mostly went with him babbling at me about how much he hates me, and it just, fucking hurt because I didn't want it if he didn't hate me romantically. But he just kept going like a numblobed nookwipe without a fucking care.

... Though it sort of ended on a different note, but that's complicated and none of your business anyway.

Point is, he had trouble with it, for the obvious reasons beyond him being a stupid fuckstick.

So I suppose I'm off-topic too, but I don't really care, because it's interesting.

Ah, that I can understand. Almost as a survival instinct, you adapted the hate to romance - or romance to hate - centuries ago.

Damnation and sin...Those are religious ideals in base, however can be applied outside of such restricting and preposterous beliefs. At the basic core of these words - and as such the basic core of humanity - everything rotates around the axis of right and wrong.

When one commits a 'wrong', it is considered an act of 'sin'. An act of evil, an act against 'God'. You become tainted and impure, and therefor - unless you repent for what you have done 'wrong' - you are damned. A person who is damned is, by tell of religion, cursed to inhabit the torturous underworld known as hell once they've died, living the rest of their eternities suffering for the 'sins' they committed and did not seek forgiveness for during their living life.

This leads to yet another reason why hate as a romance is hard to grasp, because hate is viewed as a sin.

Those 'pure' and 'worthy' of God's love could hate no living thing. They would be incapable of it. This is why hate is hard to associate with romance, as romance in human culture is based on the feelings of love, and love is all that God supposedly offers to us. The idea of basing something 'holy' around something so blasphemous as hate is absolutely preposterous in the eyes of most.

The reason I say that the culmination of humanity is ever walking in such unholy light is also based around their beliefs in God. As years go by, the 'word of God' is twisted further and further in favor of the most hateful of humans. They preach that God loves every man, woman and child alive to draw you in, and then inform you that if you are outside of their set guideline of how humans should be, there is no salvation for you. If you cannot conform all of who you are, what you love, and what beliefs you hold, to their mold, you are doomed to suffer. To rot in Hell as you so truly deserve.

This, Karkat, is why homosexuality is a "thing" for us. Because, in the eyes of God - whom loves every man for whom they are - loving and fornicating with one of the same gender is an unforgivable sin. Man was put on earth to love Woman. Woman was put on earth to entertain Man, and to bear his young. Women cannot bear the children of other Women, and Men cannot bear the children of other Men. This is viewed as going against the will of God, and therefor one of the most unholy sins you could commit, aside from killing his creatures.

I suppose what this all boils down to is thus.

It is human nature to hate. If you cannot hate a person for who they are, you will most assuredly find a physical feature to blame. The color of one's skin, hair or eyes. The shape of one's face. Their height, or weight. Whether the male is well toned or not. Whether the female has large breasts and hips. If one has too many freckles, or too few. They wear glasses. They have less than perfect teeth.

Anything can be used to spurn hate for another. And everyone will hate someone.

And yet they are simply too blind to accept this, further pulling themselves from reality to hide within the safe arms of their 'God', who will forgive them if they ask, yet strike down those whom they continue to hate.

It is all a farce. A lie. A twisted web of deceit in which they only continue to spin as years drag on. There truly is no hope for our race.

Well. Beyond the apocalypse brought about by Sburb. If that weren't there to wipe them out, the crumble of all the safe walls they built to shelter themselves and their young would surely do it's job.

...And I believe, thanks to what you just explained, I now understand why he found it embarrassing to speak with me about. Dave Strider does not shriek like a girl, and would be horrified if I found out, I am sure. Poor thing.

Edited 2011-03-03 14:58 (UTC)

[Karkat listens to her dutifully, thoughts of the movie put on the backburner in favor of a topic apparently more important, particularly so the more Rose goes on. He can tell well enough that the feelings run deep in her, and by the end, he's frowning pretty damn hard.]

God, you humans are fucking morons. A backwards load of dumbasses who could probably eat their own shit and be none the wiser if they're that moronic as to not realize how much hate infects everything. Were you all dropped on the collective skull when you were starting out? Or is this just because you were missing your gods thanks to that fuck up with the sessions?

[He runs a hand through his hair, thinking.]

Then again, trolls are pretty fucked up anyway. I'm not even going to get into it. And considering like half of the twelve of us who survived are shithive maggots anyway, it's anyone's fucking guess how long that would go before you went off the other way and fucked something else up with your society.

At least we don't fucking screw around about emotional stuff. It's laid out plainly, and all sides of it are important. If you're going to feel hate, you fucking hate, and that's how it is. Same with the various forms of pity, but hate is the main thing here if you fucktards are too stupid to embrace it.

Tavros might go preaching no hate, but the rest of us? Yeah fucking right. Dumbasses. Fucking morons. That religion is stupid.

From what I've heard, your weird human biology shit figures into that whole homosexuality idea, but it's still fucking stupid. We don't--I'm not explaining troll reproduction to you, so don't ask, but male or female, that shit doesn't matter for it. But even if that weren't the case, love and hate are still love and hate. And you wouldn't even have a term for homosexuwhatever if it didn't happen in your species, so that's just even more stupid. It's not like you even have Imperial Drones who will kill you if you can't provide genetic material!

[Now both hands go scrubbing at the sides of his head.]

Uggghhhhh. God damn lousy stupid fucking species of morons.

Some of you have merit, I'll admit that now, but jegus fucking christ are you idiots put together like that. I'm starting to think Sgrub or Sburb or what the fuck ever just targets planets full of despicable dumbfucks.

But if you want to talk about Dave, believe me, it was even more embarrassing for me to have to be the one that made it happen.

That is exactly it. The human race in it's entirety is just a boiling cesspool of wasted flesh and air, where nothing but the idiotic and psychopathic breed on, as many of those who have merit die before their genetics can be passed on in a vain and futile attempt at bettering the species.

Beyond the stupidity and sheer pointlessness of such religions and beliefs, we are a very vain species as well, giving only when personal gain is the outcome. And it is laughable that they believe sincerity exists! In some form, in some way, all that you give is expected to be returned in one way or another. Be it tangible or intangible, monetary or sentimental. Selfish ideals furthered by selfish individuals.

And yes, exactly. There would not be a word for it if it did not happen, and were not meant to happen. There have been many studies where animals - God's most loyal creatures - have been found having sex with another of the same gender. And it is human belief that they run purely off instinct and are unable to make decisions for themselves.

However, when presented with human homosexuality, they claim it is a "choice".

Which is it? Is it natural, because God's animals participate it, or is it taboo because we are the ones taking part in it? It simply makes no sense! We are ruled by idiots, lead by idiots, and will die at the whims of idiots. And nothing will be done to change that.

[[She's now rubbing at her temple a little, sighing heavily, though at the suggestion of Sburb targeting planets such as that, she can't help but laugh. Though it certainly isn't with the most joyous of tones.]]

Obviously that game was made to do the universe a favor.

And while it may have been embarrassing for you, it was obviously something necessary. So perhaps in the end it was a good thing?

Some of us hold merit, you are correct. John, for instance, is someone who holds a great deal of merit to me, even if he can be quite vexing on the nerves some times.

Pfft. You think you have it bad with your gene pool? Trolls--we cull anything for the smallest reason. Right after you hatch from your cocoon, you're expected to make it through the Trials in the brooding caves, and it's hard and grueling, and only then do you get a lusus. If an adult troll ever comes across you before you reach maturity, you'll be killed on the spot. If there's anything arbitrarily wrong with you, if you do the wrong thing, if you don't do a certain thing, you get culled, no questions.

And status is so fucking deeply ingrained into everything. The marks we wear. The whole fucking social hierarchy based on the most retarded fucking caste system ever. If not for Sgrub, I--

[He squeezes his eyes shut, rubbing his own temples now.]

I don't want to talk about it. But it's stupid, and no matter how much hate you do or don't feel for whatever reason, you humans still have it way fucking easy compared to us when it comes just to everyday continued living.

In any case, we've both got our fair fucking share of societal and cultural stupidity.

[In the end, though, he has to glare at her directly - the ire of it mixed with incredulity.]

You've got to be fucking retarded if you're going to hold him up as a paragon of the human race. That asshole is--do you have any idea how difficult it's been to try to not hate him like I do? Just from hearing about him, I couldn't stand him. The very first fucking time I spoke to him, just--I could not believe the sheer, complete level of loathing that filled me.

I mean, I am trying now to find his good side and all that crap, but he is far from the best out there.

Well, while he can be completely irritating, he is also one of the few I have found that doesn't leave me with a bad taste in my mouth simply from associating myself with them.

Beyond this, he has many desirable qualities.

[[A thoughtful pause.]]

Or qualities I suppose I, myself, find desirable. He also may not be the best out there, but I had not said he was. Simply that, when considering those of our race who manage to redeem themselves, he is one that stands out most. Dave and Jade follow.

Ugh. Completely the wrong way around. It's--I dunno, because Dave's hard to place, but you're a fuckton more redeemable than John. Jade's better than him, too. So spare me your weird taste in guys.

[[Have a snort at such a suggestion. Her? Having the possibility of being more redeemable than any of them? Hogwash.]]

I'm flattered you somehow came to such conclusion.

And it is not so much taste as it is the qualities he possesses. Dave and Jade are wonderful - I would not trade them for anyone in the world, truly - however John simply possesses traits I find more attractive. While Dave's intelligence is a refreshing strife nearly every time we talk, John's is a quieter, more easily appreciated one as it is displayed in very different ways. And while Jade has a certain aspect of innocence that draws you in - she very much needs looking out for. Despite how smart she is, she can be too trusting - John's naivety is enjoyable, in that he has common sense and yet still can be so clueless with such simple matters.

Bluh. If you're trying to help me like him more, you're going about it the wrong way. If anything you're just making me remember what I hate about him, and that is not what I fucking need.

I actually am not, simply justifying why I like him, as you were questioning such a thing.

[[Is that a fond smile? It is, though she hasn't really noticed it yet.]]

[Karkat notices. He accordingly makes a disgusted face.]

Why... why do you like all the parts of him I can't stand? You seriously do have the weirdest taste in guys.

I am unsure. Perhaps they are not weird, simply different? I appreciate intelligence, even more so when it surprises me. The thought he puts into his pranks and jokes - as ridiculous and silly they may be - is nothing short of focused and concentrating. And really, they are quite clever in nature. Not to mention the fact that he astounds me with how much he can figure out on his own once you've given him the foundation.

Why do you find such a trait so deplorable?

No. No. He's not intelligent; he's stupid. The first conversation I ever had with him--

[Suddenly a hint of color rises to his cheeks, which he tries (with little success) to will away.]

The brainless nooksucker couldn't even figure out that no, I was not his friend, and no, I did not ever want to be, and he could not possibly have been more off about how I felt.

I mean, maybe it's good now that he's so fucking dense he can never figure it out, but it was just frustrating beyond fucking words then.

That is more optimism than intelligence, Karkat, and why did you find that so frustrating?

Beyond the fact that optimism itself is frustrating on it's own, it sounds like this runs a slight be deeper than that...

[[What once was fond is now a curious look.]]

Because. I was telling him I hated him and everything!

[Grabbing a couch pillow to bury his face in again.]

Well, I am unsure as to.....

[[Pause.]]

Karkat. When you say you were informing him of your hate, you are referring to caliginous hate, aren't you? Your tone and the way you are hiding at least are leaning towards that reasoning.

Edited 2011-03-04 11:08 (UTC)

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